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Friday, 27 February, 2009

WWS Logs

Filed under: World of Warcraft — Andrew.Rowbottom @ 5:22 pm

I’m a geek and I frequently upload my combat logs, healing both from raids but also from failing dungeon runs, to WowWebStats, just for an idle peruse you understand.

As a healer I find the failing dungeon runs most interesting because if I see the boss putting out 3k damage per second then I can cuddle up to my security blanket and reassure myself that we wiped simply because there is absolutely no way I can outheal that level of damage. (Typically I put out 2k heals per second though I can peak at a little under 2.9k on patchwerk). WWS doesn’t actually bring much to healers that you don’t see at the time a wipe happens. Though I am occasionally interested in seeing what sort of damage is happening, just in case a resistance totem is going to be worth dropping next time I’m there.

A discussion has been going on in our guild forums about the worth of WWS, most players (quite rightly in my not so humble opinion) think that they are a curiosity rather than an invaluable tool. A few (mostly DPSers) think that they’re good for evaluating performance. The counter argument is that raw Damage per Second doesn’t take into account raid utility – if your assignment is Crowd Control, interrupting, purging, cleansing, etc, then your DPS is going to be lower, the raid wins, but your “ranking” drops.

Mind you, I don’t think I have even once heard any special assignment players called to task because their DPS was lacking. But of course WWS doesn’t show special assignments so two weeks later when people have forgotten the details things might not look quite so rosy.

I guess WWS has more utility with hardcore raiders where assignments are given out, (the munquis don’t usually bother), and you can go back and check to see if the healer (or whatever) is really concentrating on their assignment or just messing around.

All told I doubt that we’re going to get much out of these logs that we’re not getting out of recount.

Verdict: WWS is more of a curiousity than a real tool for a casual guild that raids.


  1. I have to disagree with you on that one. I find combat logs more than a curiosity for any guild. They provide a great way to see who is under performing and what can be done to help them improve. No, they are not an end-all of what happened for the run, but they a huge amount of insight to see what might have went wrong.

    And not just for hardcore guilds, but any guild that raids.

    Comment by Santyn — Saturday, 28 February, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

  2. The combat logs are very handy, and not just for the DPS’ers.
    Those of us at the top of the meter usually like to brag about it, but it’s only for a bit of fun. (At least in my case).

    The WWS are good for outside of the game, but in-game the officers regularly discuss concerns with performance, if thats what seems to be showing. In most cases, during the raid itself.

    These are all examples from recent raids (and usually all done in whispers):

    1) A healer was noticed to have very low healing compared to the other two. Looking at his details in ReCount showed he’d also done zero cleanses / dispels up to that point. So his actions were watched by one of the ranged DPS’ers (me, who found that he was hardly casting during the fights. When asked, it turned out he was trying to conserve mana. One of the officers explained that it was much less of a problem these days, and his healing began to rocket up.
    The group was awesome anyway, and probably could have coped with his low healing, but maybe not next time, so it was better to sort it there and then.

    And a word of warning to any would be Mana-Conservationists. As long as you never run out of mana, OverHealing is not an issue. You can never have too much of a good thing.

    2) A DPS’er was noticably much lower than the others but a gear check showed he had decent equipment. So it was simply down to play-style. An officer, who knew the class, spoke to him after the raid, to give him a few pointers, and next run, he was still a little low, but much improved.

    We usually try and do it during or straight after the raids because it keeps things fresh, and makes it easier to explain. Rather than lookign at th elogs later, and tryign to remember who did what.

    Comment by Smyth — Monday, 2 March, 2009 @ 10:57 am

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